The Church Needs Dudes

As I sit praying for the ladies’ first bible study tonight, I cannot help but think about the dudes in the ministry as well. I praise God for the work he is doing with the woman in VI and ask that he will start the same movement among the men. 

I pray that the men in VI would man-up, center their lives around Jesus and his cross, commit themselves to prayer and the Word of God, eat meat, build stuff, and lead the mission of the ministry into the future. 

Nick

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8 responses to “The Church Needs Dudes

  1. Matt

    just dont each too much “red meat.” that has too much cholesterol and will later lead to coronary artery disease and a heart attack.

  2. Great stuff. Thanks for sharing.

  3. Paul

    What I think leads to being a “chickified” guy in the church that Driscoll talks about is the lack of understanding and knowing God. To know God and all His attributes, and not just know OF God, gives us an understanding of who God is to the extent that He has revealed Himself to us. Those who are “chickified” and sing “love sings to Jesus” may have a skewed or incomplete understanding of all God’s attributes.
    For instance, If a guy only focuses on God’s loving-kindness and His mercy, this may cause them to be extremely emotional and view God as a teddy bear. This view rules out and overlooks God’s justice, perfecting love, and wrath.
    The men of the Bible who Driscoll refers to, all knew God. They knew what He was and who He was, with a complete understanding, not leaving out key attributes or focusing on only a couple.
    Churches need to bring people to know God in His fullest.

  4. Matt

    I dont think that being “chickified” means you dont understand the full attributes of God or only focus on a few or are all about love. I think it is the result of the environment of the church. I like what Eldridge writes in Wild at Heart:

    “And then, alas, there is the church. Christianity, as it currently exists, has done some terrible things to men. When all is said and done, I think most men in the church believe that God put them on the earth to be a good boy. …That’s what we hold up as models of Christian maturity: Really nice Guys.” “…the church wants a tamed man.”

    Its true. The church tries to turn boys into who they think a “nice Christian boy” should look like. So as boys, we were forced to sit indian style and sing “this little light of mine”. We had to wear our nicest clothes and comb our hair like a “good Christian boy” is supposed to do. We were forced to sit still for hours at a time. Every Sunday, my mom would yell at my dad (who had been outside working on something) “change your clothes and shave. You look like a slob!” DANG IT! LET US BE MEN! What’s wrong with going to church with grease on our clothes and unshaven faces? God designed boys and men to be dangerous, to take risk, to be wild, to be dirty and to spit. For crying out loud, the church needs to let us be who God designed us as.

    But going back to how we view God’s attributes and in response to what Paul wrote above, I think we have to understand that God is wrathful, angry, and requires justice, but for us Christians Jesus took our place for God’s wrath, anger, etc. So, I think it is key for us to understand that God does always love us no matter what we do; God is never angry, punishing, disgusted, or ashamed of us. Christians should focus mainly at God’s Grace. Our Understanding of what Jesus accomplished on the cross allows us to understand how God now views us. If we understand that Jesus was our substitute for God’s vengeance, then we should only focus on God’s grace, loving kindness, mercy, etc. I dont think that only focusing on these traits will cause us to overlook his wrath and justice.

  5. Matt

    I dont think the church needs dudes. I think the church needs to LET US be dudes.

  6. Paul

    When Driscoll talks about the church needing more “dudes”, he is not talking about guys in general. He is talking about guys who function and operate how God made man to. Driscoll is saying how men of the church have strayed away from being true godly men.
    I agree with you that churches need to let men be men.
    However, if we do not know God, then we do not know ourselves. In other words, if we do not know God and His attributes, then we do not understand how He interacts with us and what His purpose is for us as far as living and who we are as individuals.
    That was what I was trying to get at, but probably didn’t explain myself correctly.
    A skewed view, understanding (or misunderstanding), and relationship with God leads to a skewed view of yourself.

  7. Paul

    Also, we have no consequence for sin, as in death. However, we must be careful not to view sin in an irreligious way, because sin does affect our lives and the lives of those around us.

    We see in the Old Testament that David sins greatly against the Lord by lusting, committing adultery with Bathsheba, and having her husband murdered. David genuinely repented for his sins and asked for forgiveness from the Lord. God FORGAVE David. Still, David’s sin affected those around him by the death of Basheba’s baby, and the violence and unrest in David’s family that came later on.

    God is unchanging. He was the same in the Old Testament as He is today.

    We have no condemnation. That doesn’t mean that our sin doesn’t affect us or those around us.
    Christ is the offering for our sins that we could never offer. He has paid the price for our salvation. Our salvation is secure and won’t budge. Then why does the New Testament talk about sin still and how to get rid of it in our lives (only through Christ)? Because it is real and affects us and those around us.

  8. Matt

    The tone in your response seems to be saying that if we fully rest in God’s Grace, we can’t or we’re not able to do anything about sin. That is not true. Only focusing on Grace, kindness, mercy, etc. doesn’t take resolving sin issues out of the picture… The only way to do anything about our sin is through Grace and THAT IS ALL that God wants us to focus on. Understanding the wrath of God is important, but for us Christians God no longer wants us to view him as having those “attributes” towards us. Why is it that the Grace message is so often misinterpreted as being “soft on sin?” In what ways do you feel that only focusing on Grace doesn’t allow sin to be resolved?

    I dont understand why you assumed I was being soft on sin in my response on how I feel we should live this Christian life and how we should now view God….

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